Oh Really

[lunamor]

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[cherryaa]

I have to admit, I have no clue why that thread would be closed.

My point about Pavorotti, was simply that whilst he was magnificent in his earlier days, towards the end he was less so.

That's kinda natural as people get much older, he was unusual in being able to keep the marketing machine going right up until his death. And in fact much of his later fame came from collaboration with pop stars. hence the link to the Susan Boyle phenomenon. I was kinda expecting some debate about the 15 minutes of fame phenomenon if there was any discussion on the point at all rather than a hissy fit about blindness and some in-joke to which we are clearly not party to. Followed by abrupt closure.

But then again what's new.

[vita]

My reading of the thread is that there were different expectations of it - some people wanted to debate the quality and value of certain artists/music whereas others wanted to have their tastes acknowledged.

Closing the thread was to prevent any conflict arising from those different expectations (I would imagine)

It seemed like it was a good debate for some. I enjoyed reading people's views even if I have nothing to contribute. My suggestion would be that if people want to debate music, as opposed to saying which music really moves them, they start a lovely new fresh thread. I'd do it myself but I know I have contemporary trashy pop tastes so I wouldn't have much to say. I like reading about the opinions of others where they discuss the historic and socio-cultural impact of particular genres or artists though so i hope someone will start a new thread.

[vita]

Originally Posted by lunamor

If people can't face the possibility of conflicting opinions then they just shouldn't post their own, I'd say.

Except if I posted that I really love Cascada, say, that they are the life blood of my very existence and I can't live without them every day of my life and someone else started a debate about the contemporary meaning of Cascada which questioned their value or importance within society, perhaps I might be a bit p-i-s-s-e-d off because I'd just stated how very important they are to me.

I think, as I say, it's just about different expectations, not that anyone is right or wrong. Having clarified that, we can move on and have separate threads which more clearly set out those different expectations.

It's true that we can't control how others might react to our posts so we have to be prepared for every eventuality.

[vita]

Hmm. I can see how music, for some people, might feel a bit different to debate about other issues. People can feel very passionate about music, almost/just as passionately as some can feel about religion.

I think the real root of the "today culture" internet problem is that people often don't know how to disagree without becoming engaged in personal conflict. And if they don't, then it's best to end the debate in whatever way, isn't it?

The times I've seen on interactive forums passionate debate turn into personal vitriol because people can't separate the two.

[al3x]

Luna you made the mistake of ever thinking that thread was going to be a discussion, I quickly realised after posting once it was all about one person shrouded in drama.

It's just the internet, start another music thread and pretend it never happened.

[cherryaa]

I agree that its all part of the "today culture" thing.

Its becoming very politically incorrect to espouse an alternative opinion to anything, in particular if its the accepted wisdom that one is making comment upon. Closing threads at the first sign of dissent is one of those aspects. In other circumstances I would be more philosophical about the implications but frankly there is no real point.

Who is Cascada Vita? Your comment surprises me a little. Surely if you post about anything, you are inviting people to have an opinion? If all you are doing is inviting people to agree with you then its kinda boring- sure you are hoping that somewhere out there there is a fellow devotee, but that will be tempered by all those who can't stand your particular thing or those who are totally indifferent to it.

When someone posts a piece of music surely they are hoping for a reaction, the pleasure is in giving people another perspective that they can choose to like, hate or ignore. If they don't bother telling you what they think its like posting into a vacuum and talking to yourself- why bother.

There are many things I love - music, art, opera. It's never bothered me at all if someone else says "I hate that particular thing", they are entirely welcome to their opinion, I don't see it as some criticism of me. Indeed we had this very debate ourselves when I was trying to show you why I loved opera. Your comment " its just as well that we all have different tastes - otherwise there would be queues" - is entirely appropriate!

I do agree that debate seems to become personal conflict at the drop of a hat, though I don't agree that the answer is censorship. Its kinda my thing LOL but you know that!

[cherryaa]

Oh I do like you Al3x (will you marry me?)

[cherryaa]

We have kinda been there before.

Cherry Chat here we come! ah yes I remember why now, was forgetting for a moment.

[redfyre]

Surely the rational approach in starting any thread based upon personal tastes is to say something along the lines of "I really like XYZ, because yada, yada. What does everyone else like and why?" That way we get to learn more about each other, which can then lead to more interesting and dynamic discussions.

Of course, this is not purely an internet phenomenon. The art of real conversation is dying IRL as well, unfortunately...as is the art of listening.